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00:04:29 *** OneArmJoe [~oftc-webi@201-177-56-105.speedy.com.ar] has joined #openttd 00:04:42 <OneArmJoe> Hello all 00:05:49 <OneArmJoe> Hello? I have question 00:07:19 <OneArmJoe> Awww... 00:07:53 <OneArmJoe> Shall keep checking forum then; really enjoying game! 00:08:41 *** OneArmJoe [~oftc-webi@201-177-56-105.speedy.com.ar] has quit [] 00:51:26 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 01:17:48 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:24 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 01:44:27 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:01 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:30:23 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:8502:8249:d688:aef8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:02 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:54:05 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.103.232] has quit [Quit: Chuck Norris uses AdiIRC. Shouldn't you? [www.adiirc.com]] 03:02:51 *** Compu [~quassel@2604:6000:120a:8025:8e8:50fb:3318:bf2a] has joined #openttd 03:03:01 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:23 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 04:17:23 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:30:55 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:26 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-71-183-121-153.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:42:35 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@87.189.67.54] has quit [] 04:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD53CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:36:28 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 05:36:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:09:03 <Supercheese> multiplayer is fun, but Reddit #2 uses too many train grfs 06:09:15 <Supercheese> and they have vehicles never expire, so the list is enormous 06:11:20 <Supercheese> at least they have daylength, so when I go afk it's still the same century when I come back 06:12:54 <Supercheese> but dang... I start building my network, turn around to check the time and five hours have passed 06:30:52 *** smurf [~smurf@2001:780:107:0:1278:d2ff:fea3:d4a6] has joined #openttd 06:40:48 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 06:43:48 <Alberth> yep, it's one of the open problems, openttd eats time :) 06:44:29 <Alberth> sp has the advantage you can just save, and do a little more the next day 06:52:59 <Supercheese> Indeed 06:53:29 <Supercheese> but I rarely, if ever, leave my singleplayer game running overnight, and risk a catastrophic traffic jam or whatnot while I'm unable to fix it 06:54:05 <Supercheese> it's a bit exiting to have that risk hanging over you; "Will my network withstand 12 hours of running without something breaking?" 06:56:42 <Supercheese> it's also very fun to send Farm/Eng supplies to every single producing industry on the network 06:57:45 <Supercheese> requires a station route to every industry, rather than just ctrl+joining a bunch of tiles together to create one megastation 07:14:03 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024c32.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:06 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11A2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:43:46 <planetmaker> o/ 07:52:33 <Alberth> moin 07:53:36 <Alberth> I build a loop along the industries when delivering supplies 07:54:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host71-41-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:54:52 <Wolf01> hi o/ 07:59:50 *** Celestar [~vici@firebeta9.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:00:58 <Wolf01> hello Celestar 08:01:51 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p5DC11A2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:55 *** Celestar [~vici@firebeta9.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:06 <Alberth> hi hi 08:14:10 <Alberth> planetmaker: hehe, I was so tempted to reply: "With your notion of 'not using a GS', I believe that immediately" :p 08:18:33 *** Celestar [~vici@fire3.tngtech.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:13 <Flygon> Supercheese: It'd be kinda fun to have some sort of infinitely horizontally scrolling (like Civ II) OpenTTD map... with MP 08:34:15 <Flygon> That's a giant size 08:34:28 <Flygon> Basically: Start an Earth MP map with real world GRFs 08:34:43 <Supercheese> I dunno, huge maps are just too sparsely populated 08:34:44 <Flygon> Issue is that the giant size would cause desyncs, and you'd hit issues with OTTD's other engine limitations :U 08:35:00 <Supercheese> I mean you can have ten guys all building huge networks... each in their own corner of the map, never seeing each other 08:35:26 <Supercheese> so the MP becomes SP with no pause button 08:41:24 <Alberth> indeed 08:41:42 <planetmaker> hehe, Alberth, yeah, thought along those lines, too (re using GS) 08:42:06 <Alberth> you can fill about 512x512 on your own, so 2048x2048 gives you 16 players doing that 08:42:12 <planetmaker> it was to me once again a lesson: ask for a savegame showing the problem right upfront 08:42:37 <Alberth> don't even bother about 4096x4096 it's just a sea of nothing 08:43:34 <Alberth> planetmaker: yeah, but it was so obvious a user problem, I mean all options work but one, and he's the only one having it 08:43:51 <Alberth> oh sure, it's a bug to report :p 08:44:07 <planetmaker> yes, true. But still no point in guess work w/o savegame :) 08:44:38 <Alberth> indeed, that's why I stopped after 'do you have a GS' 08:45:32 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 08:47:30 <Wolf01> we need to think again about the game features... the reality is a lot more weird than ottd http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aojW2Rn_460s.jpg 08:47:40 <Supercheese> Boy, one disruption to your supplies, and your entire feedback loop crashes 08:47:44 <Supercheese> eesh 08:48:01 <planetmaker> you need overflow loops :) 08:48:07 <planetmaker> err s/loops/depots/ 08:48:14 <Supercheese> not traffic 08:48:17 <Supercheese> I mean production 08:48:23 <planetmaker> ah, yeah 08:48:30 <Supercheese> Ore -> Metal -> Supplies -> More ore 08:48:38 <planetmaker> it's even realistic ;) 08:48:42 <Supercheese> one link breaks, suddenly production volume plummets 08:48:49 <Supercheese> I kno rite 08:48:58 <planetmaker> I kno yu kno :P 08:49:08 <Supercheese> but hey that's what makes it fun 08:49:17 <planetmaker> :) And that's what counts 08:59:19 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:01:41 <Alberth> Wolf01: nah, that's a bug in reality 09:13:17 *** b_jonas [~x@russell2.math.bme.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:17 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:35 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 09:27:42 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:02 <Supercheese> Man, it's amazing what 1 ton a month of Manufacturing Supplies will do to productivity 09:31:49 <Alberth> ha :) 09:53:51 <Supercheese> Wellp, time to leave my network overnight 09:54:03 <Supercheese> hopefully it survives until morning 10:49:48 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 11:30:18 *** Pikka [~Octomom@c114-77-161-48.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:31:10 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:46 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 11:32:01 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:34 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-168-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:08:26 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 12:27:00 *** Pikka [~Octomom@c114-77-161-48.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:06 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 13:12:52 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:49 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:38 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.103.232] has joined #openttd 14:06:14 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@46.66.174.29.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:26 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@89.11.205.173] has joined #openttd 14:15:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A5B7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:07 *** Celestar [~vici@fire3.tngtech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:49 *** meslinjf [~oftc-webi@206.167.194.228] has joined #openttd 14:37:30 <meslinjf> Can anyone help me compile a source document for OpenTTD? I've received the following error messages after entering the make command :\ 14:38:40 <meslinjf> F:\OpenTTD\ogfx-rv>make 14:41:39 <Alberth> please use a pastebin 14:42:16 <Alberth> ie paste in https://paste.openttdcoop.org/, and copy the link into the channel 14:42:37 <Alberth> @paste 14:42:54 <Alberth> hmm, Dorpsgek needs an extension :) 14:52:37 <Alberth> meslinjf: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1155123#p1155123 <-- about that I guess? 14:53:47 <meslinjf> Thanks. I've posted my error message on the thread. 14:55:55 <Alberth> I wonder how to debug that 14:56:04 <Alberth> does "make -n" say anything? 14:56:26 <Alberth> (it should dump the commands it would do if you type 'make') 14:58:13 <Alberth> ha, nice it totally freaks out here :) 14:58:42 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:51 *** Pulec [~pulec@2a01:4f8:110:1463:127::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:42 <meslinjf> make -n did quite a lot of things. 15:02:57 <Alberth> nah, it just prints stuff 15:03:13 <Alberth> lots of gimp things probably? 15:03:31 <Alberth> I wonder about the first part 15:03:33 <meslinjf> In that set, yes. 15:03:59 <Alberth> there is a cc command near the top, which fails 15:05:33 <Alberth> but what I don't get is that "cc.exe: cc ...." sort of implies that cc.exe prints it cannot find itself :p 15:05:52 <Alberth> ok, what does cc --version do? 15:05:59 <Alberth> you get a version number? 15:06:27 <meslinjf> Oh. It might be that all the openttd and coding related programs are on a flash drive. It probably can't find cc since it's on drive C 15:06:58 <meslinjf> oh. It still gives me the version, even if i'm on drive F: 15:07:22 <meslinjf> gcc is version 4.8.1 15:07:28 <Alberth> the setup guide speaks about 'Adding all programs to the PATH variable' so that should work, wouldn't it? 15:08:07 <Alberth> cc -D REPO_REVISION=5718 -D NEWGRF_VERSION=5718  -C -E -nostdinc -x c-header -o ogfx-rv.nml ogfx-rv.pnml 15:08:22 <Alberth> My make -n says ^ 15:08:51 <Alberth> what happens if run that manually? 15:09:28 <Alberth> it should produce a ogfx-rv.nml file, by the looks of it 15:10:04 <Alberth> planetmaker: got your ears on? maybe you can have a look too? 15:20:17 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:35:42 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024c32.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:52:59 <meslinjf> I've looked around, still can't find the reason the origin of cc: No such files or directory 15:55:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-65-132.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:55 <__ln__> https://narf-archive.com/pix/ee6d2cab8596896d86809d937c2e7f1d146292e2.jpeg (sfw) 15:58:45 <Alberth> it comes from the cc command? 15:59:52 <Alberth> I just need to watch part-time, eh? 16:03:25 <meslinjf> eh, sorry. I'm doing many things at once. So don't bother looking at your screen every second. I just started trying to figure out compiling today. 16:04:06 <meslinjf> What do you mean by if it comes from cc command? To make this clear, I'm on windows 7, using the cmd 16:05:38 <meslinjf> So far, every source I've tried compiling ended up giving me the same cc.exe: error: cc: No such files or directory 16:09:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:37 <Alberth> yeah 16:12:07 <Alberth> to figure where it goes wrong, you need to skip 'make', and execute its commands directly 16:12:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:36 <Alberth> one option is the 'cc' command that make -n produces 16:12:53 <Alberth> so if you run that, do you get an error? 16:14:31 <meslinjf> So I look into the text make -n produced to find anything related to cc? 16:15:11 <Alberth> you type "make", you get a weird cc error 16:15:29 <Alberth> with "make -n" you can see what it is supposed to be doing 16:15:45 <Alberth> so yeah, I'd hope there is a cc in there 16:16:17 <Alberth> in addition, you can try to run that command yourself, to verify its crash 16:16:26 <Alberth> or error, rather 16:16:37 <Alberth> maybe it gives more information or so 16:20:16 <meslinjf> Ok. Here is what I found among all the text that make -n gave me. It's quite similar from what you posted earlier: 16:20:17 <meslinjf> MinGW/bin/cc.exe cc -D REPO_REVISION=0 -D NEWGRF_VERSION=0 -C -E -nostdinc -x c-header -ogfx-rv.nml ogfx-rv.pnml 16:21:26 <meslinjf> cc.exe is located in the bin folder, as it should 16:21:39 <Alberth> wow, with a "cc" as first argument? 16:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly someone messed up the cflags? 16:22:55 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:24:51 <Alberth> $(_V) $(CC) -D REPO_REVISION=$(NEWGRF_VERSION) -D NEWGRF_VERSION=$(NEWGRF_VERSION) $(CC_USER_FLAGS) $(CC_FLAGS) -o $(NML_FILE) $(MAIN_SRC_FILE) not likely 16:25:43 <Alberth> CC ?= $(shell which gcc 2>/dev/null) <--- meslinjf what does "which gcc" say? 16:27:00 <meslinjf> I should also find that line in the make -n? 16:27:19 <Alberth> probably not 16:27:28 <Alberth> just type it at the command line 16:28:09 <Alberth> $(shell ....) gets run while doing text/macro expansion 16:29:43 <meslinjf> If I write this in command line, I get: The system cannot find the path specified 16:31:57 <glx> no gcc ? 16:32:29 <Alberth> glx: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1155123#p1155123 16:33:42 <meslinjf> I've tested the path registries by running these and everything worked: nmlc --version hg python exit() gcc --version bash exit 16:34:33 <glx> oh I see, which is an msys command 16:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> meslinjf: if you're not interested in a proper solution but only a dirty workaround, replace $(CC) with cc 16:42:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:24 <meslinjf> I can change it in the makefile document? 16:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, in the line that Alberth quoted 16:44:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:09 <andythenorth> o/ 16:48:19 <meslinjf> It's working. I'll let it compile, test it and come back to you. 16:49:29 <andythenorth> compile cat 16:49:52 <andythenorth> probably cats are self-compiling 16:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause> in japan they have cats running train stations 16:57:00 <Alberth> other cats are just lazy, sleeping in chairs 16:58:19 <andythenorth> Alberth: hi hi 16:58:25 <andythenorth> any comments on new FIRS? 16:58:30 <andythenorth> other than the tickets 16:58:46 <Alberth> +1 16:59:13 <andythenorth> hopefully Iâve removed a lot of the minor irritations 17:00:02 <Alberth> it all seemed to work nicely, as far as I can see 17:00:33 <andythenorth> thanks 17:00:48 <Alberth> new smaller industries like the clay/sand quarry look much better 17:01:10 <andythenorth> agreed 17:01:16 <Alberth> more similar to a 'normal' sized industry 17:07:41 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-65-132.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 17:14:44 <Terkhen> hello 17:21:10 <Alberth> hello 17:23:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d009c89.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:36 <Alberth> quak 17:25:39 <frosch123> moin 17:26:30 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.103.232] has quit [Quit: get satisfied!  :: ««« (AdiIRC) »»» www.adiirc.com ::] 17:52:53 <snorre_> My servers is showing up on the serverlist quite sporadically. What coud be the reason? 18:02:50 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:42 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.103.232] has joined #openttd 18:13:05 *** meslinjf [~oftc-webi@206.167.194.228] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:20:06 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 18:44:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:11:22 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 19:17:42 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:42 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:46 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:54:10 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 20:16:34 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 20:17:24 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 21:22:31 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d009c89.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:31:50 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:37:35 <snorre_> I don't get the "advertising to the master server is failing" message. Still my servers dissapear from the list (and reappears after some time). 21:43:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:47:27 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024c32.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 21:49:08 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A18766.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:52:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:35 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 21:52:38 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-218-77.tal.is] has joined #openttd 22:12:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18766.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:20 <Wolf01> 'night 22:13:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:40:23 *** roidal [~roland@194-152-168-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 22:48:32 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 22:49:08 <drac_boy> something I kinda still recall before if I remember right - wasn't there another openttd channel with in-game chat bot? 22:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence doesn't make a lot of sense. 22:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, there are proably several channels that are related to specific servers 22:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> none of those are "official" openttd channels 23:17:51 <drac_boy> ah heh I see...I still remember coop now :-> 23:24:21 *** Pulec [~pulec@2a01:4f8:110:1463:127::2] has joined #openttd 23:37:23 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024c32.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]